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Ernie GruenDo We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing? Ernie Gruen Jan 20, 1990 (January 20, 1990)

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This is the tape behind the controversial book "Documentation of the Aberrent Practices and Teachings of the Kansas City Fellowship."

That book is available here:

http://www.birthpangs.org/articles/kcp/Abberent%20Practises.pdf


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Date: 1990-01-20
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Notes

Notes on the tape by Ernie Gruen

I want to humble myself by admitting three mistakes in my taped message “Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?” All of the events described in the tape did actually happen, but some of the details weren’t accurate. They are corrected as follows:

1. The story regarding prophecies that a woman should have her baby at home and the baby dying did happen; however, the prophecies occurred in a Kansas City Fellowship home group and were not given by a member of their staff. Again, the event was truth, but this detail was incorrect.

2. We have been able to document two churches that were taken over by Kansas City Fellowship, in which prophecy played a definite part. Ironically, the churches we have documented are two different churches than the ones indicated on the tape. The fact that they have used prophecy to close and/or take over churches is accurate; however these details are somewhat different.

3. The fabricated story that seven young people from Berean Baptist Church died--all in a six-week timeframe--is a complete lie; however, the details surrounding these deaths and the people involved are much more complex than those which were reported on my tape. Included in our documentation is a clear summary of these events. Again, the substance of what I said was absolutely true, but a few of the minute details were not correct.

I want to apologize to Kansas City Fellowship, not for giving fabrications or gross distortions--I did not tell any lies or grossly distort anything, but for the errors in some of the details contained on the tape.

Kansas City Fellowship’s response has been to try to dismiss all of our concerns as unsubstantiated and based on rumor or misunderstanding because of the inaccuracy of the above details. The facts are, however, that the situation in Kansas City Fellowship is much worse, and far more serious than that which was depicted on my original tape.

Editor's note:

This above is perhaps the basis of the rumor that Gruen issued an apology for his book. Actually, this apology was IN his book. It hardly constitutes an apology FOR his book.

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Reviewer: tb-bel - 3.00 out of 5 stars3.00 out of 5 stars3.00 out of 5 stars - October 1, 2010
Subject: Change of Web Link for Ernie Gruen's Documentation
Ernie Gruen wrote a well-known expose of the Kansas City Prophets, which can be found in a PDF version here: http://www.birthpangs.org/articles/kcp/Abberent%20Practises.pdf

This updates the intotruth link which is now dead.


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